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FuzzBox Zine (1991) interview with two gay trans men, Danny & Vern
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(“World’s Greatest Cocksucker”) or Guys with Pussys. Chris(teen) chats with Vern and Danny, two f2m* homos, and gets the dish on ‘passing’, cruising, and attitude. *female to male transexual
page 2: What percentage of F2Ms sleep with men after the change? It’s really hard to say exactly, because until about three years ago it was totally unacceptable to present a gay male identity, so people didn’t really present it outwardly.
Do you mean people weren’t “out” about it? Yes and I think the numbers are going to end up being a lot higher than people would even think. It makes sense to me, it’s the same as male to females wanting to be lesbians. I really understand why female to males would want to be gay, to reject femininity totally.
You’ve told me that while you prefer to sleep with women you do occasionally sleep with men. I don’t know about sleeping.
I think the readers would be interested in the details, where you pick your potential partners up and what you do. Well, I write my name on men’s room walls and I distribute these little cards.
Can I see one? Sure! Here’s a good one. Each one is a little different.
“World’s greatest cocksucker 353-3810" These are great! I love them! I leave them in various places, bathroom stalls and phone booths. If went to bars I would hand them out, but I don’t go to bars because I don’t drink.
page 3: What’s so different about man to man sex? This may not be true for everyone, but for me it’s really a good affirmation of masculinity. It helps me to affirm my masculinity. To be accepted as a gay male in the gay male community I really like that. When I used to hang out with women I really liked the feeling of community with just one gender, you know what I mean, even though I felt like an impostor. But I could appreciate that sense of community which was there, it was really nice. Sisterhood is powerful. So is brotherhood.
All the F2Ms I have met have been very attractive very virile guys. I perceive a style of masculinity which is not unlike gay male codes of masculinity. You know leather and denim, well built and macho! You’ve seen a lot of F2Ms who are great examples (there are those who aren’t so well balanced.) You’re talking about some pretty self confident people.
What is that swaggering style? I guess its self-confidence and a little overcompensation for the fact that you are a castrated man; maybe we have to be more “cocky.” Also if you show that you’re not confident that’s when people start to question you.
page 4: Vern
What did you mean when you say that there is genderphobia in the gay community and homophobia in the gender community? “Genderphobia” is my term. I made it up because there is a clone movement in the non-heterosexual community to make everybody look just like heterosexuals who sleep with each other. The fact is that there is a whole large section of the gay community or the sexual minority community who is never going to vote Republican. There are drag queens, there are transsexuals, there are transgenderists, and there is a real groundswell in the “gay community to try and pretend that these people don’t exist and it drives me crazy.
Sounds like an attempt to "clean up” the gay community. Yeah, and to make the gay community look like the straight community. If you want to just be straight and sleep with other straight people of the same gender well that’s your own business and I’m not going to tell you not to do it, but what Stonewall and all this other shit is about, is the freedom to be who you are, and if you are a crossdresser or a transsexual or if you are a three-eyed monster from Mars, it’s nobody else’s business to tell you not to be that.
Is there prejudice in the gay community against transvestites, either in the bars or in the bedrooms? There is one real asshole bar here in Buffalo - he’s it real scum bag, his name is John Little please feel free to publish that name. All of his bars restrict entrance to crossdressers. But most of the gay community’s transvestites don’t have any lack of sleeping partners.
page 5: How is sexuality in the gender community being misunderstood? For example, we can’t make assumptions about what other people do (sexually), we can’t make assumptions about people’s desire. I was out with my friend Michelle who is a well known transsexual, as a matter of fact she was on the cover of the National Enquirer a few months ago. And well, I’m an active bisexual, and at that point I was dating a man and she said “You’re a transsexual you are supposed to be dating women now” and I said “I’m not supposed to be dating anyone.” who I date, who I sleep with is still pretty basically my choice. When I did this, I didn’t sign up to sleep with only straight women, that wasn’t in the contract.
Transsexuals make a big scrapheap out of everybody’s neat and tidy life. If they can tile us some. place they are happy but when they can’t they are tormented.
I heard that forty percent of male to female transsexuals are lesbians and I was wondering about the percentage of female to males who were practicing gay men? There was a show taped for Geraldo, on transsexual gays but they cut it they never showed it, it was too controversial. Nobody wants to talk about it specially the gay community. People want to be able to say “You’re transsexuals so you must do this,” and straight people especially think that transsexualism is just an extreme form of homosexuality. It makes everyone much more comfortable to believe this, it’s a nice and tidy way to understand the world.
No matter how feminine a man is inside he knows he’s a man…and it your core identity is female, you feel female.